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A few more thoughts about Iraq. Word to all who opposes the war 18-02-2003 20:41 к комментариям - к полной версии - понравилось!


These are not my thoughts, but I agree with every single word of it. Only if I could write this articulate... (Written by Big & Rusty (pseudonym) from Orlando, FL)

Word to all who opposes the war...
Get over it.

Sadam Hussein makes Hitler look like a bedwetting democrat. He tried out chemical weapons on his own people like an employee at Macy’s who squirts you with perfume as you pass their counter. (Does this mustard gas make you feel pretty?) What don't you understand about that? He tortures prisoners with methods that would give Mengle a bulge. When you oppose stopping him, you support him. Once more for the slow . . . When you oppose stopping him, you support him.

There is enough evidence of Hussein having weapons of mass that if this was a domestic criminal case, he would have already been tried, convicted, and bent over in a cell by a big biker guy named Cutler. He has all the moves of a shyster, he reminds me of a certain ex-president of ours. Like Clinton, he wouldn't know the truth if it passed from his lips.

Hussein to the Weapons Inspectors: "It depends on the meaning of the words 'weapons' 'of' 'mass' and 'destruction.' I mean what you call 'weapons' we call 'peace devices.' See, we've had peace since the Infidel invasion . . . I mean the Gulf War. Yes, we have weapons grade nuclear material but we're using them for power. Yeah, that's the ticket. The word 'of' has so many meanings that it really means nothing. What does the word 'mass' really mean anyway? How much does 'mass' really imply? Is it a city or a city block or what? And 'destruction' you know well, the laws of physics says that nothing can be created or destroyed. Don't think destruction, think recreation."

This is the kind of weasel we're dealing with in Iraq. Sadam Hussein is Clinton with fangs, with a liberal dose of Caligula, Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot poured in for bad measure. If we do not end his tyrannical reign, we are just as culpable for his actions as he is. Neville Chamberlain went to his death knowing that he could have saved millions from the Nazi death machine, but he was too much of a pansy liberal coward. Are you prepared to live with that guilt on your head? Do you even care?

Now I know that all of you have your own reasons for being cowards, but all of your reasons boil down to rationalization of apathy towards evil. It is symptomatic of the larger, more dangerous problem of situational ethics. Simply put, you say there are worse people out there or that we have done worse. It is an irrational disconnect to logic, which is often associated with brain damage or mental disease. Furthermore, you show attributes of what psychologists call ‘magical thinking.’ If we show Sadam Hussein that we trust him (and maybe give him some milk and cookies,) he will destroy his weapons of mass destruction and treat his people better. At the same time, Algore will hand his wife, Tipper, to Eminem’s roadies. Neither thing will ever happen. No matter how many hugs we give him, Hussein will never change. We could give him another twelve years or another twelve hundred years, but what we have from him now is what we are always going to get. Do we act now or do we wait till he wipes Israel off the map? Do we crush him before or after he gets nuclear weapons? I would hate for my last words on earth to be, “I told you so.”

To the socialists/communists/anarchists, no one is buying what you are selling anymore except each other. You need to get a job, take a shower, and start looking for a better reason to live but not in that order. You are what they call ‘useful idiots’ being used to propagate an agenda you’ll be sorry for later. You talk about how this administration is fascist but what do you think the Soviet Union was and Cuba is? If communism is so great, why do people leave Cuba in boats for America? If communism is so great, why were the Soviet Union and the eastern bloc overthrown for more democratic systems of government? Yes, we have done some bad things in our history but we have done more good than evil. I feel your real motivation for opposing the military effort is merely to be contrary. You are nonintellectual intellectuals who know a little so you feel you know a lot. Like your comrades in Hollywood, you have no real understanding of history or politics and what you do understand comes from conspiracy theory based on implausible facts. Conspiracy theory is the product of weak minds, which jump to conclusions. This is not a war about oil; we get barely 1% of our oil from Iraq. Most of Iraq’s oil goes to Russia, France and other European countries. This is not a war of revenge for President Bush for his father’s losses. If I remember correctly, we won the Gulf War. In fact, the U.N. stopped us from taking out Hussein. Yes, that got us far. This war is about Iraq’s naked aggression and unwillingness to comply with past treaties. This war is about stopping Hussein before he tries to take us from the map. If a man comes at you with a gun and you have gun as well, do you shoot him first or do you wait for him to shoot you? You are at best, well-meaning boobs and at worst, the kind of person who would make Hitler proud.

To the French, here’s a little reminder: you’d be speaking German if not for us. In your cowardly language, Vous parleriez allemand si pas pour nous. The only word you’re general knows is retreat or in frog tongue “retraite.” Your country is such a stinking cesspool that you don’t even care to defend it. How pathetic is that? You are the makers of wine and cheese, barely better than California. You are known for your artists and poets but your best artists and poets hated your country. Parisians are known for their obnoxious attitude and lack of hygiene, New Yorkers are known for their toughness and their straightforwardness. They are also known for their blinding support for a socialist lesbian who wears a philanderer for a beard, but let us not speak of that again.
A few suggestions for the French:
1) shower. I can’t suggest that enough for you.
2) You are not that important and you haven’t been since the days of colonialism.
3) Change your flag to a solid white. This will save you from having to declare surrender all the time.
4) Shower. Again, this is very important.
5) Show us more respect. You will need us again in the future to bail you out.
6) No one thinks Jerry Lewis is funny.
7) You are and will probably always be cheese-eating surrender monkeys.
8)Shower. How many times can I say that people?
I think your opposition is due to some dirty laundry that you’re hiding. If you stop it now, we might understand. However if you have been selling Iraq weapons of mass destruction, we will put another Euro Disney where the Eiffel Tower is. Disparaissent la prise une douche.

To the Germans, I am very disappointed in you but I’ve come to expect this kind of behavior. You are prone to fascism. We saved you from yourselves in World War One and you gave us the Nazis. We saved you from the Nazis in World War Two (plus we gave you money and rebuilt your country) and your eastern portion took up communism. We saved your eastern portion from communism and you give us your ugly lip. Is there no end to your treachery? Like the French, I fear your hiding some shady dealings. Come clean and we won’t have to give you another Dresden. I have no problem showing you our backsides as our armies leave your quaint quasi-first world nation heading for third world status. We know the way out from all the times we pounded you in those little wars you started. Don’t call us, we’ll call you.

To the Islamists, say hello to Allah for us. If Iraq or any other rogue Muslim nation decides to use weapons of mass destruction, that’s it for you. We have already said that we will use nuclear arms on you and we don’t make idle threats. Not all Muslims are “evil” but neither are they all innocent. After all, you were the ones who cheered in the streets after the attack of September 11th. You were the ones who threatened to destroy our ally, Israel. You are the one who threatened to use weapons of mass destruction us. You have committed terrorist acts on us. You have killed innocent civilians. You have held innocent civilians hostage. You have called us a paper tiger. You see we’re not much paper anymore. Our president isn’t some defunct hippie who only would have served in Vietnam for the whores anymore. Our President is a man of thought and deed. The sleeping giant has awoken. Behold and tremble.

So in closing, I go back to the opening: Get over it. Appeasement solves nothing. Tyrants only understand the language of force. Anything less is like trying to explain quantum physics to a rabid pit bull . . . but if you want to talk about the merit of appeasement, why don’t you ask six million Jews what appeasement got them?
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Alpine 18-02-2003-22:08 удалить
Ugly and filthy piece of hogwash. Same ethereal, in no way conclusive, heaviliy subjective, assumptive, and with no real point other than "kill 'em all" as that russian's hatred towards America expressed one too many times in local forums.. Another mind frozen in the hatred, only this time towards Iraq and those who puts out a word different from that of the mainstream.

This repugnant piece of hostility which emanates unproven and preposterous superiority of the author in each and every word of it belongs to a high-school bulletin written by a 14-year old white supremacist male and allowed for being published by folks like Rev. Jerry Falwell who supported a condemnation of the prophet Muhammad as a "demon-possessed pedophile."

Nothing good can come out of such people. Today they hate them, tomorrow they hate you for something you have they don't, or something they disagree with you upon. Hate never was a vechile of good, for it was always and indiscriminatingly destructive.
EddieUSA 19-02-2003-00:18 удалить
Ugly and filthy piece of hogwash. Same ethereal, in no way conclusive, heaviliy subjective, assumptive, and with no real point other than "kill 'em all" as that russian's hatred towards America expressed one too many times in local forums.. Another mind frozen in the hatred, only this time towards Iraq and those who puts out a word different from that of the mainstream.

This repugnant piece of hostility which emanates unproven and preposterous superiority of the author in each and every word of it belongs to a high-school bulletin written by a 14-year old white supremacist male and allowed for being published by folks like Rev. Jerry Falwell who supported a condemnation of the prophet Muhammad as a "demon-possessed pedophile."

Nothing good can come out of such people. Today they hate them, tomorrow they hate you for something you have they don't, or something they disagree with you upon. Hate never was a vechile of good, for it was always and indiscriminatingly destructive.


Wow, judging by your initial reaction, seems that, as much as you hate to agree with him, the guy said something right :) All the time and effort that you’ve put, in order to discredit the author tells me that the man has a point…
This is not an article written by a professional writer for a newspaper or a magazine, that’s a given. This is just a personal opinion, written as a comment to something else… A humor peace… As you mentioned, it doesn’t comply with general rules of article writing - like stated conclusion, reasons to support it, blah, blah, blah. But the guy who wrote it is not a politician and I seriously doubt that he majored in journalism in college. He is a military man, actually weapons instructor. Considering that he is from Orlando, FL, I doubt that he is (in your terms) “White supremacist”. South Florida is not exactly a white supremacy hot spot. What’s with the name calling anyway? :)
Just a personal observation, people try to discredit the sourse, when they associate with the message they’ve “choosen not to like”. :) Agreed? Isn’t that the way democratic party operates? Personal attacks, one after another, instead of issue discussion???

BTW, What’s wrong with rev. Jerry Falwell??? Why is he being personally demonized? He has a right for his opinion, like everyone else. He is not loony, he is honest, trustworthy, he knows what he preaches, and he is 100% right on many points. He is not as extreme as some people are trying to position him… Before it was Pat Robinson, and now it’s Jerry Falwell that is being demonized?
Alpine 19-02-2003-01:23 удалить

Wow, judging by your initial reaction, seems that, as much as you hate to agree with him, the guy said something right :) All the time and effort that you’ve put, in order to discredit the author tells me that the man has a point…


I don't see how you make this link between how much efforts I put in and my implicit agreement...
But the guy indeed had a point. And that point was, IMHO, "to hate", wtih which I adamantly disagree.


This is not an article written by a professional writer for a newspaper or a magazine, that’s a given.


What does this to do with the price of tea in China?


A humor peace…


humor? Kidding, right? This "humor" paves the road to war and troubles. Hatred is a nasty thing, no matter which way you look it at.


not a politician and I seriously doubt that he majored in journalism in college. He is a military man, actually weapons instructor.


who cares that he's not politician, I never implied I cared.
As far as his military status is concerned, these military guys don't really think too much, they were bred on force, and they prefer it to any negotiations. Moreover, realization of power adds oil to a furnace...

Considering that he is from Orlando, FL, I doubt that he is (in your terms) “White supremacist”. South Florida is not exactly a white supremacy hot spot.


Supermacism is not a geographic feature.


What’s with the name calling anyway? :)


The words he wrote put him into category bordering supermacism views. No name calling. Just appealing to Webster's Dictionary to the definition.


Just a personal observation, people try to discredit the sourse, when they associate with the message they’ve “choosen not to like”. :) Agreed?


I don't discredit the source, I expressed my antipathy with written words.


Isn’t that the way democratic party operates? Personal attacks, one after another, instead of issue discussion???


I'm independent. I don't like either party. All of them operate the same way. Dirty.


BTW, What’s wrong with rev. Jerry Falwell??? Why is he being personally demonized?


Because he seeds hatred. INHO. If you think differently, I respectfully disagree.


He has a right for his opinion


He certainly does. And no one is trying to take that away from him. The problem is with the opinion.


he is honest, trustworthy,


And full of hatred.

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he knows what he preaches, and he is 100% right on many points.
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I don't listen to his nonsense (to me, he's full of baloney)
But certainly he does know what to say to appeal.

Alpine 19-02-2003-01:30 удалить
And, just FYI, the definition of word liberalism and a liberal was wicked away in endless finger-pointing and party bickerings... It's now almost a curse word. So here is a definition of it. See if you prefer to be a liberal...

Lberalism: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties
EddieUSA 19-02-2003-05:07 удалить
Well, the bottom line is we disagree on this matter. In my opinion the guy is right on the point, even though he should of (of might) used different words to make his point.

The way I look at it is, You are just trying to close your eyes in order to avoid the problem for as long as you can, hoping that it would go away on it's own...

As for Jerry Falwell I see him from time to time on some of the political talk shows. He is very smart guy, and he is not afraid to say stuff that other people just won't admit even though they might think alike.

As for the dictionary definition of liberalism, now-a-days is just a dictionary definition..., not a real world one.

In reality liberalism in US stands for basicaly shoving your values down other people throats, until they start to think like you... And if they don't, they are out of luck...

The hatred? Do we hate anyone? No we don't.
We didn't start it. We are only responding to it.
Self-defense is a god given right. :)


Alpine 19-02-2003-05:45 удалить

In my opinion the guy is right on the point, even though he should of (of might) used different words to make his point.


And what exactly is the point?



The way I look at it is, You are just trying to close your eyes in order to avoid the problem for as long as you can, hoping that it would go away on it's own...


Don't fantasize. Ask me. Don't say what I do and don't. You're absolutely wrong here. You can't be more wrong. I don't support Saddam. Moreover I do believe he does have WMD, and he needs to be disarmed. And I see a huge problem in his regime and danger he poses to the world and America in particular. I don't want to avoid a problem, I want to solve it, and teh sonner, the better, so that we all could move on..

But said that, I realize that there are few options to solve it.All have pros and cons. The war is quick, but costly and deadly, no war is also costly and also deadly, both being extreme measures from opposite ends. The world need something in between. What, you ask? I believe it's better intelligence and verifiable humanitarian aid.


As for Jerry Falwell I see him from time to time on some of the political talk shows. He is very smart guy, and he is not afraid to say stuff that other people just won't admit even though they might think alike.


I don't watch him because I don't trust anybody who made a career collecting money from parishioners


As for the dictionary definition of liberalism, now-a-days is just a dictionary definition..., not a real world one.


Don't we have to strive to do what word really means, not what we want it to mean. It's a self-cheating thinking to assume a new meaning for a word as it becomes convinient. There is a definition and the most people didn't know it, and they started calling liberals everybody who is not conservative. And this is wrong. In the REAL world, liberals are those who I wrote, in fantazy world, it's a curse word.


In reality liberalism in US stands for basicaly shoving your values down other people throats, until they start to think like you... And if they don't, they are out of luck...


We agree to disagree. i stick to a formal definition of the word, and will keep saying that real meaning of the word is forgotten because some people decided to change it's meaning as it suited them.



The hatred? Do we hate anyone? No we don't.


Who, we? You? Me? The guy who wrote that passage? Generalizations are dangerous.


We didn't start it.


May be. But we don't do enough to stop it.

We are only responding to it.
Self-defense is a god given right. :)


It's a checken-and-egg question, IMHO. The more powerful enjoys more authority but has more responsibility. And it's up to this powerful institution to use force sparingly and smartly.

Sure self defense is your right. But let's not forget that smarts are as important as might. There are so may ways to reach the same point,. and while one can more lengthy than others, it also might be safer.

You argument reminds me a squabble between two boys in a sand playground. Big boy is attacked by a smaller one, and big boy said, "I invoke my self-defence and beat this kid up"...

Have you heard about Pir's battle and victory? I'm afraidm if US attacks Iraq, it'll win this battle but lose the big WAR... War of hearts. And that could be much worse for everybody in a long run.

Alpine 19-02-2003-05:55 удалить
About word definitions:

Remember Clinton said "The answer to your question depends on a definition of the word `is`"...

Pathetic.
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