Who`s embassy should I burn when I see cartoon images of Moses and G-d? Are these idiots so upset because the cartoon depicted the truth? If they want respect, they need to show respect to other nations and religions.

Ты что такое пишешь, ни хуя не понятно. отвлекись от внешней политики.

отвлечься сложно.....погряз, только это и интересует...
жду начала мировой катаклизьмы

ДЕЛАТЬ ТЕБЕ НЕФИГА!

это почему это , интересно?

Тебе виднее.
Да ладно. Может ненапротестовался еще. Продолжайте!

It is not about the caricatures anymore, and not about any religious feelings. Of course, in an ideal world, noone would insult anyone.
The caricature that is most spoken of, is the one representing the bomb in the turban. If moslems throughout the world had ever protested against the use of bombs in the name of Islam, if they even had protested against the murder of more than 100000 algerians in the 90ties in the name of their faith, one could better understand why these caricatures hurt them.
It`s an orchestrated hysteria , an intimidation that seems to work . In France where the christian religion has been traditionnally the target of the intelligentsia, in words and caricatures, where virulent antisemitic caricatures from the arab world have been reprinted during the last years in some mainstream papers, where "death to the jews" has been shouted during pro palestinian rallies, , according to a recent poll, 55% of the population things today that the publication of the cartoons last week was an error.



The famous Danish cartoons were taken over and published in a Dutch paper in September 2005. Not just 1 single Muslim reacted at that time. After six months lobby work by a hate exporting Danish imam the ummah is reacting like drunken sailors. So it is not a demonstration of hurt religious feelings but a new aggressive and intimidating attack on the freedom of speech in the Western world, according to the legacy of Khomeini (may he at least rest in peace). I?m absolutely not impressed by this demonstration because I have seen it growing and growing since Khomeini. I?m sure the aggressive movement of the fundamental Islam will lead to its end. In 25 years there will be so much Muslims living in poverty that the traditional Islamic world will blow up it selves. Just wait and see. For the time being the Arab governments keep the peoples busy with cartoons from Mohammed from the Western media; with falsification of history; holocaust denial; and anti-Semitic and anti-freedom propaganda. It is hard to share the world from 2006 with a population from 600 GT.

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Stoned to death... why Europe is starting to lose its faith in Islam
By Charles Bremner
London Times
December 4, 2004

Islamic fundamentalism is causing a 'clash of civilisations' between
liberal democracies and Muslims

DAYS before she was due to be married, Ghofrane Haddaoui, 23, refused
the advances of a teenage boy and paid with her life. Lured to waste
ground near her home in Marseilles, the Tunisian-born Frenchwoman was
stoned to death, her skull smashed by rocks hurled by at least two young
men, according to police. Although the circumstances of the murder are
not clear, the horrific “lapidation” of the young Muslim stoked a French
belief that the country can no longer tolerate the excesses of an alien
culture in its midst.

A few days ago, pop celebrities joined 2,000 people in a march through
Marseilles denouncing violence against women, particularly in the
immigrant-dominated housing estates. The protest against Islamic
“obscurantism” and the “fundamentalism that imprisons women” was led by a group of
Muslim women who call themselves Ni Putes ni Soumises (Neither Whores
nor Submissive).

The movement, which emerged three years ago to defend Muslim women, is
spawning similar groups across Europe, supported by a mainstream
opinion that has recently abandoned political correctness and wants to halt
the inroads of Islam.

From Norway to Sicily, governments, politicians and the media are
laying aside their doctrines of diversity and insisting that “Islamism”, as
the French call the fundamentalist form that pervades the housing
estates, is incompatible with Europe’s liberal values.

The shift is not just a reaction to exceptional violence such as the
Madrid train bombings, or the murder of Theo van Gogh, the anti-Islamic
Dutch film-maker, by a Dutch-Moroccan. It stems from a belief that more
muscular methods are needed to integrate Europe’s 13-million strong
Muslim community and to combat creeds that breed extremists and
ultimately, terrorism. With mixed results, governments are trying to quell the
scourge by co- opting Muslim leaders to promote a moderate European
Islam.

In Germany, with its three million — mainly Turkish — Muslims, and
France, with its five million of mainly North African descent, television
viewers were shocked when local young Muslims approved of Van Gogh’s
murder. “If you insult Islam, you have to pay,” was a typical response.

"The notion of multiculturalism has fallen apart," said Angela Merkel,
leader of Germany’s Christian Democrat opposition. "Anyone coming here
must respect our constitution and tolerate our Western and Christian
roots." Italy’s traditional tolerance towards immigrants has been eroded
by fear of Islamism. An Ipsos poll in September showed that 48 per cent
of Italians believed that a "clash of civilisations" between Islam and
the West was under way and that Islam was "a religion more fanatical
than any other".

Similar views can be heard across traditionally tolerant Scandinavia —
and no longer just from the populist rightwing party’s such as Pia
Kjaersgaard’s People’s Party in Denmark. The centre-right Government of
Anders Fogh Rasmussen, has equipped Denmark with Europe's toughest curbs
on immigration, largely aimed at people from Muslim countries. In
Sweden, where anti-Muslim feeling is running high and mosques have been
burnt, schools have been authorised to ban pupils who wear full Islamic
head-cover, although the measure comes nowhere near France’s new ban on the
hijab in all state schools.

In Spain, with a rapidly rising population of nearly a million Muslims,
the backlash has been less visible despite the bombings, but thousands
demonstrated in Seville this week against plans to build a mosque in
the city centre. The Government has also won approval by sending 500
extra police to monitor preachers and Muslim associations.

Police across the EU are closely watching prayer meetings in makeshift
mosques in cities and housing estates, and media accounts of the
jihadist, anti-Western and anti-semitic doctrines of the imams are fuelling
public anger. In Germany, pressure is growing for sermons to be preached
in German rather than Turkish or Arabic. Hidden TV cameras recently
broadcast an imam in a Berlin mosque telling worshippers that “Germans can
only expect to rot in the fires of hell because they are nonbelievers”.

The debate over the limits to free speech is loudest in France, which
now acknowledges the failure of its “republican” approach to integration
whereby immigrants were supposed to blend harmoniously into society and
not exist in separate communities.

Dominique de Villepin, the Interior Minister, is deporting foreign
imams who support wife-beating and other uncivilised practices. This week
the Government moved to ban a Lebanon-based television channel for
anti-semitic broadcasting. The left wing, which long shunned criticism of
Islam as the stock-in-trade of Jean-Marie le Pen, the far-Right leader,
now denounces the “totalitarian”, anti-feminist, antisemitic doctrines
of the fundamentalists. Jacques Julliard, a leading left-wing
commentator, said the Left’s longstanding tolerance had been used as “an agent
for the penetration of Islamic intolerance”.

Some on the Left have also taken strong exception to the concept of
“Islamophobia”, a supposed sin defined by EU anti-racism watchdogs as akin
to anti-Semitism.

The French consensus was symbolised by the 80 per cent public support
for the head-scarf ban, which started with little trouble in September.
While many Muslims felt stigmatised, the Government took comfort from
the approval of the ban by a substantial minority of the 10 per cent of
the population that is of immigrant origin.

Among them is Fadela Amara, a Muslim town councillor from Clermond
Ferrand, who heads the Ni Putes, Ni Soumises movement. “The veil is an
instrument of oppression that is imposed by the green fascists,” she says.
Mme Amara, who led the Marseilles march, advocates an “open Islam, an
Islam of French culture a bit Gallic around the edges”. This is also the
aim of the state, which two years ago created a national Muslim Council
to promote moderate mainstream Islam. The council was set up by Nicolas
Sarkozy, the then Interior Minister, who now heads the UMP, President
Chirac’s centre-right party.

M Sarkozy has just caused a stir by going a stage further, proposing
that France’s rigorously secular state fund the building of mosques.
“Whether I like it or not, Islam is the second biggest religion in France.
So you have to integrate it by making it more French,” he said. To
general dismay, however, the national council is coming increasingly under
the effective control of radicals.

Reluctantly, some intellectuals have lately concluded that the model
for Europe should be the US. On Tuesday a writer for Libération, the
French left-wing daily, noted that immigrants in the US threw themselves
into “the American dream” and prospered. “There is no French, Dutch or
other European dream,” she noted. “You emigrate here to escape poverty
and nothing more."

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Muslims File Complaint Over Dutch TV's Airing of Excerpts From Film by
Slain Dutch Filmmaker
By Jan M. Olsen, Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, December 7, 2004

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) - Danish Muslims have filed complaints against
Denmark's two state-run television stations for having repeatedly shown
excerpts of Theo van Gogh's film "Submission" after his slaying last
month.

The 12-minute film, released in August, was sharply critical of Islam
and the status of women in Muslim communities.

Since Van Gogh's killing in Amsterdam on Nov. 2, the Danish
Broadcasting Corp. and TV2 have aired excerpts several times during news shows
about the death and the debate that followed it across Europe.

In a letter mailed Saturday to police, Laue Traberg Smidt, the group's
lawyer, said the Danish Broadcasting Corp.'s "massive coverage of the
case and its repeated use" of excerpts "seems rather an attempt to
contribute to a confrontation and whip up a sentiment against Danes of
Muslim faith."

"They understand that it must be shown, but they feel it is being
repeated again and again as if it was part of an advertising campaign,"
Traberg Smidt said Monday.

Separately, another group of Muslims in central Denmark filed a
complaint against TV2 with police. Efforts to reach them were unsuccessful.

Both channels denied the allegations.

"When we show excerpts, we do it in the interest of freedom of speech,"
Danish Broadcasting's news director Lisbeth Knudsen said, adding it was
not done to inflame tensions or cast aspersions upon Denmark's Muslim
community.

In his complaint, Traberg Smidt said he represented a group of about 20
Danish Muslims, who wanted to remain anonymous "because they are afraid
of unpleasant (reaction) in the current atmosphere."

There was anti-Muslim violence in the Netherlands after the Dutch
filmmaker's death, but no such backlash has occurred in Denmark. About
149,000 people, or 2.8 percent of Denmark's population of 5.4 million, are
Muslim.

While convictions for violating the law on racism occasionally happen
in this tolerant country, no one has been sentenced for blasphemy since
1938, when a group of Danes were convicted of slander against Jews.

A 26-year-old Islamic radical with Moroccan-Dutch citizenship was
arrested in the Netherlands and charged in the slaying of Van Gogh, a
distant relative of the famed painter.

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Germans fear Islamic unrest
By Roger Boyes in Berlin
Times of London
November 17, 2004

ISLAMIC preachers in Germany have been told that they may be ordered to
deliver their sermons in German rather than in Arabic in an attempt to
halt racist diatribes.

The move reflects Berlin’s fears that a spark of ethnic and religious
unrest could leap from the Netherlands to Germany, a country with more
than three million Muslims.

Support for such a move is growing after a television channel used
hidden cameras to film the imam of a Berlin mosque frequented by young
Turks. He was heard telling worshippers that “Germans can only expect to
rot in the fires of hell because they are non-believers”.

The Germans, he said, would only support Turkish entry to the European
Union if the Turks ripped down the minarets and bulldozed the mosques.
Moreover, Germans smelt badly: “These nonbelievers, these Europeans,
they do not even shave under their armpits, so that sweat gathers in
their hair and makes them stink.”

The sermon, translated from Arabic and broadcast on German state
television, stopped well short of a call to violence. But it was strong and
hostile enough to shock ordinary Germans and the political class who
argue that European Muslims are being poisoned by the rhetoric they hear
in the mosques.

Senator Erhart Körting, in charge of internal security for the city of
Berlin, threatened yesterday to expel the preacher to Turkey if his
statements were confirmed. “I want this case cleared up within days,” he
said.

Anetta Schavan, a powerful regional education minister tipped as a
future leader of the Christian Democrats, led the political offensive
against what the tabloids are describing as “hate preachers”.

“We must now consider legal steps to ensure that German is spoken in
mosques and in Koran schools,” she said to wide applause among
conservative politicians. The point would be to make it easier for plain-clothed
policemen to monitor mosques’ activities.

The German Government is not convinced that it can push through such
legislation: it would almost certainly prompt a long and uncomfortable
constitutional debate about the freedom of worship. But mosques have been
coming under closer scrutiny since the beginning of the year when the
police raided a mosque in Gelsenkirchen after Friday prayers and a
controversial sermon.

Bassam Tibi, Germany’s leading expert on Islamic affairs, advised the
Government to find a proper balance between controlling mosques and
integrating foreigners. “If we don’t do more to integrate foreigners then
Germany will face the civil war-like conditions that are emerging in
Holland,” the professor said.

Measures being considered by the Interior Ministry and other government
departments include the compulsory use of German in Islamic schools,
more training for Islamic theologians at German universities and more
pressure on foreign-born social welfare beneficiaries to attend
German-language classes.

The Islamic community is already hemmed in by some German regulations.
The traditional Muslim call to prayer is banned in Berlin because it
violates noise pollution rules. Christian churches also have restricted
times for their bell ringing.

Local councils have started to question building and planning
permission for new mosques; there are already more than 700 in the country. The
latest, the Berlin Sehitlik Mosque with a capacity for 1,500
worshippers, was completed last month only after Muslim elders agreed to place
flight-warning lights on the tall minaret towers.

German television last week withdrew the controversial film Submission,
which has been blamed for inciting the fatal attack on the Dutch film
director Theo van Gogh. The decision seems to have come from the Dutch
production company rather than the German networks. “We don’t want to
pour even more oil on the fire,” Alexandra Keddemann, spokeswoman for the
producers, said.

However, the 11-minute film can be seen on the internet and many German
Muslims are said to be clicking on to the site.

German television chiefs were shocked when they sent their reporters
out to question German Muslim responses to the killing of Mr van Gogh.

Young Turks questioned at a Cologne street market immediately supported
the attack. "If you insult Islam, you have to pay," was a typical
response.

Islam is the third-largest religion in Germany, after the Protestant
and Roman Catholic faiths.

There are three million Muslims in Germany, representing 3.2 per cent
of the population.

1.9 million are of Turkish origin, mainly descendents of the postwar
generation of guest workers imported to Germany to make up for its
manpower shortage.

Most Muslims live in highly concentrated districts in the industrial
towns of western Germany and in Berlin. Few Muslims live in eastern
Germany.
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Это старость, Сусличек, если от политики никак не отвелечься, в ней не участвуя вовсе. Хуже футбола с пивом перед телевизором...

gomza, По поводу политики, не согласен!
Футбол говно, хорошее пиво нет.