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The strength of the American Military....... 18-03-2004 02:22 к комментариям - к полной версии - понравилось!


The strength of the American Military lies in its’ Non-Commission Officers – NCOs. NCOs are basically the micro-managers of the American Military, Corporals and above (the rank right before Sergeant). In the business world, NCOs would be the entry and middle level managers of the company.

Just why are the NCOs so important? Because they are the immediate supervisors of a typical, entry rank soldier. NCOs serve as “glue” between the soldiers and their officers. In a typical American military unit, for example a platoon, for every 3-5 soldiers there would be One NCO. That NCO would then be directly responsible for his fire team, that kind of breakdown allows constant and direct supervision for each and every soldier, and it is the NCO that reports directly to his senior NCO or directly to the officer of the unit.

Now, let’s take a quick look comparing two military organizations – Russian and American.

Here we’ll be strictly looking at the “human” factor of the military, excluding ALL technological factors. Let’s assume that military technology-wise Russia and USA are the same, so that the only thing left to look at are the actual people that make up that military.

Let’s further assume that a basic American soldier and a Russian soldier are equal in their abilities. Let’s discount the fact that in order to join American military a soldier must pass certain physical and mental requirements (pull-ups, sit-ups, and a certain run time, there is also a written test which measures different analytical abilities), since in all fairness those tests are not very difficult for a “normal” young person to pass. And since there is no proof that either side has “extraordinary” physical or intellectual abilities – they are all human after all, we are assuming the Russian and American soldier would perform equally well in battle conditions.

Let’s also assume that a basic American officer and a basic Russian officer (of any rank) are equal in their leadership abilities. That’s also not very difficult to conceive, comparing the best American military academies and the best Russian military academies would likely show that officers that graduate from those academies are roughly equal in their abilities.

What IS different between the two military systems is the expertise level of their NCOs. A typical Russian NCO (sergeant) is just a regular soldier who has a little more experience (a year of service or so) and has shown good leadership abilities, or someone who has come from a special NCO school, in that case the experience level of the NCO and the soldiers under his command would be most likely the same.

A typical American NCO is much different. Let’s take at a United States Marine Corps NCO - He will most likely be on his 2nd contract, which would mean that he has already served at least 4 years. Even though it is possible for a Sergeant to still be on his first contract, it is rarely so. A sergeant who has only served 3 years of his contract is a person who has demonstrated “extraordinary” leadership, physical and intellectual abilities and has been meritoriously promoted.

It is literally impossible to get promoted to a Sergeant by a regular promotion process in 3 years or less in the United States Marine Corps.

To simply put, an American NCO has at least 3 or more years more of military experience than that of a Russian NCO. Now, how do you think it would reflect upon their performance? In order to answer that, just compare a newly recruited Russian soldier to a soldier who about to go on demobilization after serving for the whole 2 years. The difference is day and night.

Having 3 more years of military experience allows the American NCOs to be more efficient leaders and soldiers, which in turn helps the officers make better decisions and makes American soldiers more capable on the battlefield.

And that difference in NCOs is what makes American military superior over the Russian military when considering ONLY the HUMAN factors of the organization.


Here are some answers to the counter arguments I will most likely hear:

1. There are Russian NCOs which have stayed to serve in the military after the initial 2 years. But keep in mind that this is NOT a usual situation and a typical Russian unit would most likely not have an NCO like that, it is very RARE. If you want to argue otherwise – let’s see some statistical proof.

2. You have to compare similar experiences when comparing NCOs. A Russian NCO who has served a year in Chechnya should be compared to an American NCO who has served a year in IRAQ. Actual battle experience is very important; it obviously makes a person a better soldier.

3. If you want to declare that a Russian person is simply better, stronger, smarter, etc – show some proof of that – let’s see some scientific work proving that fact, otherwise don’t say stupid things like that.

4. Fighting on your own country’s soil obviously makes you a better soldier, so when I’m only looking at the situation where soldiers are fighting on the neutral ground.
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nika5 18-03-2004-13:05 удалить
не пиши больше про армию - это никому кроме тебя неинтересно, а если уже пишешь - расскажи что нибудь забавное - типа :
u тебя там любовники были? кто тебе больше нравился - черные с большим..., или китайчонки с маленьким ...?
flat-out 18-03-2004-14:32 удалить
I see above such an original and deep research but the sudden conclusion you have come to makes me believe there's a sophistry and facts substitution which turned you to the idea, simply populist and far from being sober and solid.

"Whose dick's longer? Of course mine"))

The two armies (NB: on the tactics level) in your comparison are supposed to be of equal destination, in military terms - facing the same mission, which is obviously very much disputable.

I doubt if we should be any kind of specific in discussing the issue but pls let me note one interesting thing. As far as I know the Russian FMs trace their roots back to Suvorov's times two centuries ago. Of course they have changed since then but the core remained the same and did not bring Russia down, though the wars Russia participated in were much more a disaster to its people than the States have ever suffered from (pls don't mention the "US mil. efficiency" here)). And the military system proved to be efficient enough.

"The greatest discoveries have come from people who have looked at a standard situation and seen it differently."
- Aristotle -
DarkMagician 18-03-2004-20:57 удалить
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I see above such an original and deep research but the sudden conclusion you have come to makes me believe there's a sophistry and facts substitution which turned you to the idea, simply populist and far from being sober and solid.

"Whose dick's longer? Of course mine"))

The two armies (NB: on the tactics level) in your comparison are supposed to be of equal destination, in military terms - facing the same mission, which is obviously very much disputable.

I doubt if we should be any kind of specific in discussing the issue but pls let me note one interesting thing. As far as I know the Russian FMs trace their roots back to Suvorov's times two centuries ago. Of course they have changed since then but the core remained the same and did not bring Russia down, though the wars Russia participated in were much more a disaster to its people than the States have ever suffered from (pls don't mention the "US mil. efficiency" here)). And the military system proved to be efficient enough.

"The greatest discoveries have come from people who have looked at a standard situation and seen it differently."
- Aristotle -



I don't believe the conclusion is sudden, I believe to be pretty sound in a theoretical sense. Remember we can only theoterize here, since we don't have any practical application

Just like a logic equation, given this, this and this - this has to be true.

Given that the technology level of both armies are equal,

Given the the soldier and officer level are equal,

Given that the auction takes place on the neutral soil,

US Military has to be superiror to Russian because their NCOs are superior, since NCOs are the only thing that's different between the two military organizations.

Granted this is all "in theory", since a proof of this theory in the practical sense is impossible. Still it's fun to "theorize" sometimes, just my train of thought.


The purpose of my post was not to put Russian military down in any sense, or to see who's dick is longer, it was simply to state my thoughts.

To be honest I would love to see Russian military become better and stronger. I personally don't believe that US wants to destroy Russia, so if Russian military does get better and stronger - not much will change from a US point of view.


Унтерофицеры -- костяк любой армии. В русской их нет и не было. Это одна из причин почему эту армию всегда и везде били.

Русский лейтенант может сравниться с американским или немецким сержантом, майор -- с лейтенантом, полковник -- с капитаном, генерал-майор -- с легким полковником.

Говно русская армия, разврат.
DarkMagician 27-03-2004-01:00 удалить
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Унтерофицеры -- костяк любой армии. В русской их нет и не было. Это одна из причин почему эту армию всегда и везде били.

Русский лейтенант может сравниться с американским или немецким сержантом, майор -- с лейтенантом, полковник -- с капитаном, генерал-майор -- с легким полковником.

Говно русская армия, разврат.



В принципе, хорошие офицеры имеутся и в Русской армии, только их мало очень (те у которых призвание такое и офицерская семья), так как Офицером быть не престижно совсем....

Жаль. Про Унтер-Офицеров ты конечно прав. В Американскои Армии такая же фигня была..во Вьетнаме например...но потом поняли ошибки и зделали свою армии профессиональной.

Кстати, интересно было бы на твой дневник глянуть, ты там часто пишешь?
Хорошие люди есть не только в Русской Армии, но даже в России вообще ;) но только они погоды не делают.

Кстати, ты знаешь, когда праздник -- годовщина образования Русской Армии? -- 22 февраля 1918 года, когда начался знаменитый Ледяной поход Добровольческой Армии генерала Лавра Георгиевича Корнилова. Генералы и офицеры Белой Армии были все замечательные люди, все прошли боевой путь через ступеньки службы в Мировой войне, все были из простых людей ... Замечательная была армия.

Потому гуталин Сталин и изобрел день 23 февраля, чтобы люди забыли про Добровольцев. И забыли напрочь!

А Красная Армия всегда была бандитским сбродом и воевала только с собственным народом. Все другие армии ее всегда били. Ты знаешь, как называется солдатский документ -- paybook -- потому что слово солдат происходит от слова soldi -- деньги. Солдату всегда платят деньги, солдат всегда чего-то стоит своей стране. А красноармейцы, начиная 2-ю Мировую войну не имели вообще никаких документов, я уж не говорю про dog-tags. Никаких ID у них не было. Они были серой скотинкой, посылаемой на убой. А убивали их миллионами. Генералу Жукову давали по ордену Герой Совейского Союза за каждый миллион убитых им русских солдат. Всего ему их дали 5 -- 5 миллионов своих солдат убил этот полководец. Так они и воевали -- залили немцев кровью.

Дневник этот не работает, но тебе открою, почитай может что интересно из старого. Я сейчас bigbadwolf


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