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Вред и польза гиалуроновой кислоты 13-01-2015 20:31 к комментариям - к полной версии - понравилось!


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Hi Dr Pickart,

Been doing alot of research and reading on HA, and I can't seem to find any commentary from you regarding very low molecular weight HA, as hydrolyzed hyaluronic acid.

The reason I ask is because your strong opinions on medium/high molecular weight HA is tied to skin wetting and the fact that it sits on top of the skin, but the hydrolyzed HA seems to have a much higher permeation of the skin? I have my own reservations about the safety of hydrolyzed HA, but I would really like to hear your comments.

To be specific, I pasted the hydrolyzed HA datasheet below since they seem to have conducted some basic studies on it. The part that has me curious is the fact that they cite that hydrolyzed HA affected expression of more than 40 genes within the skin. But that's neither here or there, considering that everything put on the skin (or for that matter consumed) respectively affects gene expression.
I wasn't able to find any patent literature on it, but according to the manufacturer (per their datasheet) the production process is fermentation via Bacillus Subtilis (a beneficial microbe to which we already have a symbiotic relation with), and an aqueous recovery process. 

http://www.finecon.sk/admin/pdf/DS_HyaCare_50_e.pdf 

In any case, would really like to hear your thoughts on the safety or stated benefits of this stuff.

 

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Hyaluronic acid (scientifically named "hyaluronan") is a sugar-like molecule that can bind huge amounts of water (1000-fold of its own weight).

When applied to the surface of human skin, it feels smooth and sensuous but will slowly wets the skin's outer protective proteins and damages the skin barrier. This can temprarily improve the looks of skin but does not help skin health. The outer layer of skin (what we actually see) is composed of keratinocytes. The signal that causes the skin to send new keratinocytes to the skin's surface is a dryness in the outer layers of the skin. Hydrating (wetting) the outer skin proteins slows or even stops the normal flow of keratinocytes to the skin surface. If the skin is kept wet, such as by using hyaluronan, the skin renewal is slowed and skin ends up looking older.

Skin Damaging Cosmetic Moisturizers are designed to push water into the skin and wet the outer skin proteins. Various detergents (but they may not be called detergents) and water-holding molecules such as hyaluronic acid often used to loosen the outer skin proteins so water can interact with them. But this weakens the skin barrier and lets in viruses, bacteria, and allergens.

In about 1997, there were studies from Denmark that found that oil/water skin moisturizers broke down the skin barrier. The concern was that this could increase infection in hospital patients. Since then, it has been found that

This means to skin is more slowly replaced and damage remains longer. Cosmetic moisturizers are designed to wet the outer skin proteins and push water into the skin to puff it up. Various detergents (but they may not be called detergents) are used to loosen the outer proteins so water can interact with them. The best example is the "cold creams" that women applied every night in the 1930s and 1940s. You may have seen these in old movies. Their skin was kept moist but the women ended with horrible wrinkles.

Various polymers of hyaluronan are used as skin injectable skin fillers. Injectable form of hyaluronic acid are sold as "not-from-animals" but they are from pathogenic bacteria. The FDA warns that the material contain small amounts of bacterial protein and this can produce allergic responses in time.

 

 

http://healthyskin.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8...088146?r=1211098146#1211098146

 Японцы курят по 60 лет, работают под солнцем, живут по 100 лет, и имеют при этом идеальную кожу.

Все благодарят ГК, которую они естественно получают из их "диеты"


Dr. Pickhart, in the link I posted above, claims that "it feels smooth and sensuous but will slowly wets the skin's outer protective proteins and damages the skin barrier. It does not help skin health." And, "The problem with wetting the skin is that bacteria and viruses enter the wet skin barrier". 

However, at this point, I'm definitely giving it the benefit of the doubt and will continue to use it.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.ph...postorder=asc&&start=0

 

Hyaluronic acid is a polymer and the size of its molecules (chains) may vary in a wide range. Depending on the size, HA chains may produce different physiological effects. In particular, relatively large HA chains (molecular weight 500,000 Da or more) appear to reduce inflammatory response. There is some evidence that topically applied HA can reduce skin irritation from various causes (such as retinoids, laser treatments, chemical peels and others). Unfortunately, as of the time of this writing, very few studies investigated HA as a topical anti-irritant. Further research is required to determine optimal HA concentrations and usage patterns for specific conditions. (The concentrations studied so far ranged from 0.1% to 2.5%.)

http://www.smartskincare.com/treatments/topical/hyaluronic-acid.html

Causing dryness
Surprisingly though, some people find that a hyaluronic acid serum cause their skin more dryness and question if concentrated hyaluronic acid formulas should be used as a moisturizer in dry climate. Apparently, when air humidity is very low, hyaluronic acid may preferentially pull water from the skin rather than from the air, thus producing the opposite effect. This is confirmed by skin guru Dr Leslie Baumann MD who cautioned against using a moisturizer with hyaluronic acid.

http://www.vivawoman.net/2012/08/hyaluronic-acid/

 

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This is a great thread and you guys are dancing all around the correct answer for this topic! 

First of all, Hyaluronic Acid is good to use in skin care products and it is an excellent moisturizer with a stellar safety record. 

It is the WAY that you use the Hyaluronic Acid that really makes the difference. It should be used in a properly formulated cream or lotion. This forum has pointed out that some creams and lotions can actually be drying to the skin because of the use of incorrect emollients and synthetic emulsifiers to hold the oils and water together. A properly formulated cream or lotion must take into consideration the "sebum" of your skin. This is the protective oils, esters, fats, cholesterol, and squalene that make up skin oils. You must make a cream or lotion to "complement" this protective sebum, not disrupt it. 

Too much Hyaluronic Acid, or straight Hyaluronic acid can and will draw the water right out of your skin. This is true of glycerin as well. These materials are "humectants" which draw moisture to themselves. This is especially true of dry, low humidity climates where there is no water in the atmosphere. The water has to come from somewhere and your skin will be the source. 

That's why the Hyaluronic Acid should be in a cream or lotion that contains 1)water 2)the proper emollient oils and esters 3)natural emulsifiers similar to the skin's sebum 4)occlusive materials, naturally derived that keeps moisture trapped at the skin's surface. 

Proper emollient oils are macadamia, olive, and meadowfoam, and proper esters are jojoba. The natural emulsifiers can be made from olive or jojoba derivatives. The very best natural occlusive material is jojoba esters. Jojoba Esters are even better than the industry standard of petrolatum (a petroleum biproduct), and jojoba esters an non-pore clogging. 

Add glycerin and Hyaluronic acid to the above combination of materials and you will have the absolute best moisturizing lotion available that will absolutely NOT dry out the skin in any climate or temperature. 

But, all of this just goes to show you that cosmetic chemistry is a very precise science, and "combinations" must be put together to achieve the proper goal. Simple "hit and miss" combinations of one or two ingredients can actually be worse for the skin, and lotions designed with this "hit and miss" style are just poor chemistry designed to make a buck in most cases. 

Hope this helps, 

John

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 Exercise prudence
So if you’re applying a hyaluronic acid serum and finding that your skin feels a bit dry or taut, the hyaluronic acid is probably pulling moisture out of your skin instead of pulling moisture from the air and into your skin. In this case, it is best applied onto damp skin and then “sealed” in with a good moisturizer on top. Additionally, do exercise prudence when using this ingredient if you’ve got dry skin and are living in a country with dry, low humidity climate or are constantly enclosed in an air-conditioned environment.

http://www.vivawoman.net/2012/08/hyaluronic-acid/

 

Еще ссылки

http://szulczyk.blogspot.ru/2014/03/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyaluronan

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