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FirePlay 17-11-2006 13:44 к комментариям - к полной версии - понравилось!


В обще-то довольно-таки редкая практика. Скорее всего в силу своей большой опасности для организма. Но тем не менее... на что только не пойдет человек ради удовольствия? Однако, приверженцев этой практики крайне мало. Да, в сети лежит Хау-Ту по Файр Плею - там все четко расписано... но разве тут не 100% участников имеют неплохую теоретическую базу?

Так вот было бы интересно поднять этот аспект воздействия... Был ли у кого опыт, какие ощущения и т.п., также, может кто располагает фото-материалами по данной практике?

Тема, конечно, экзотичная. Не менее экзотичная, чем Water Bondage, но, на мой взгляд, она заслуживает того, чтобы ее обсудить.

С уважением, автор.
вверх^ к полной версии понравилось! в evernote
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что за тема то!??
неслыхал такого.
Обьясни начинающему!!
Strong_Gale 17-11-2006-13:56 удалить
Хранитель_Разврата, ну судя из названия Игра Огнем или огненная игра, но я про нее тоже ничего не слышал... да и не видел...
Lord_Wrathgotkh 17-11-2006-14:03 удалить
Это воздействие на Объект по средством высоких температур, по средством огня. Доведения участка тела портнера до состояния, когда еще пара секунд - и будет ожог... Тут важно ОЧЕНЬ хорошо чувствовать партнера и ЗНАТЬ его реальные физические возможности...

Это очень опасная игра, но она, как и контроль дыхания по степени доверия не сравнима ни с чем!
agnafetish 17-11-2006-14:23 удалить
Cupping and Fire Play
by Leather Barbie


The most important thing to keep in mind with fire play is safety. Practice safe handling of fire and start small. Be careful. Keep a fireproof blanket on hand. Make sure your bottom is not chilled and does not have a condition that gives him or her poor circulation to the skin. Keep in mind that you as the top are taking responsibility for your bottom when doing fire play. If your bottom is injured during play, it is your responsibility to take care of them. Play responsibly.


Cupping

For those of you who saw the movie Dangerous Laisons, cupping is what the nuns did to Michelle Pfeiffer at the end of the movie. It's a take off on a Medieval method of blood letting—only without the blood. I take a small leather patch and place it on the area of the body I want to cup. The buttocks, breasts and back work especially well. I then take a small 100% cotton ball and dip it into some rubbing alcohol, squeezing out the excess. I place the cotton ball on the leather patch and light it. While the alcohol in the cotton ball is burning, I bring a sturdy glass jar or cup, open end down, straight down over the flame so that the flame goes up into the glass as I press the rim of the glass into the skin. As the flame is snuffed out by the lack of oxygen, the air inside cools and creates a vacuum. The suction from this vacuum pulls the skin into glass and is actually strong enough to hold the glass into place even when the subject stands. The larger the glass, the stronger the vacuum. You should be aware that, while cupping is not extremely painful for your partner, it often causes bruising. I think the bruises are quite pretty as they form in the exact shape of the cup mouth. I have cups that are round, square, and rectangular and am on the lookout for other interesting designs like a star shape.



Rubbing Alcohol

This is the standard rubbing alcohol found in drug stores that is 70% isopropyl alcohol. This is the riskiest form of fire play and requires the most caution. Two important safety points when doing fire play with rubbing alcohol: alcohol flows down, fire burns up. I will repeat these points later. Start small. Take a 100% cotton swab, dip it in the rubbing alcohol and light it. Carefully and lightly brush it across the skin on the underside of your wrist. This is what the flame will feel like on your partner's skin. Now let your bottom repeat this same procedure on themselves. If it feels okay to them, you may continue. If it's too hot, stop—this type of fire play is not for them.


If you're ready to go on, proceed by painting alcohol on an area of the skin on the subject's forearm with the q-tip. Watch for drips! Place your hand over the uppermost part of the forearm where the alcohol starts. With the q-tip, light the alcohol. Let it flash up only once, and then use your hand to snuff out the fire by wiping your hand down over the flame. Practice this technique of lighting small patches on different areas of the body before moving on to doing larger regions. Keep a hand towel near by to wipe the excess alcohol from the skin before reapplying. This helps you control the amount of alcohol on the skin each time you light it. I keep my free hand between the flame and my bottom's head at all times when lighting. It makes it easier to snuff out the flame if necessary, and I'd rather burn my hand then my bottom's head. Please note that repeatedly lighting the same spot will make the skin more sensitive to the burning. Avoid doing this.


If you want to reduce the time it takes for the alcohol to completely burn, you can dilute it with water. Adding water will reduce the alcohol content, and less alcohol means there's less fuel to burn. The flame will go out much more quickly. It's important to stay away from the face and head. And watch out for the hair—it will burn! You can also apply the alcohol with small sponge brushes found in hardware stores. Again, watch for drips. The alcohol will continue to flow down the skin if too much is applied. These sponge brushes can hold a lot of alcohol. Be especially aware if you are working on a area of the body with crevices such as the breasts, buttocks or folds in skin. You don't want alcohol getting into these areas and burning. It can cause injury. Keep in mind that body hair will burn, too. I don't recommend using this type of fire play on the genitals. Besides having lots of folds and crevices, the skin of the genitals will readily absorb the alcohol and may burn more intensely than intended.


Also included in this type of fire play is the use of alcohol torches. I make my own from wooden dowels with small amounts of 100% cotton tied on with 100% cotton thread. Stay away from "cosmetic puffs." They are made from artificial fibers that will melt and can cause burns. Dip the cotton of the torch in the alcohol and then light it. You may then lightly and quickly brush the body with the tip of the flame of the torch. Again, stay away from the face and head and watch for burning body hair.



Flash Cotton


The third type of fire play—which I prefer to the alcohol—is flash cotton. You can buy it in any magic store. It looks like cotton, but it's actually made of nitrocellulose, which is the same material used in flash paper. The cotton will be damp with water when you open the package and will need to be left out a couple of days to dry. After it has dried, you can take the cotton and pull the fibers into wispy threads or twist it into a fine cord. Pull it as thinly as possible. If it's too thick, it will be too hot when it burns. Lay a wisp of the cotton on top of your forearm and light it with a lighter. It will literary go up in a flash. Again, try this with a small wisp on the forearm of your bottom. If he or she is okay with the intensity, you may continue. If not, stop here. You can lay out the thin cotton strands in intricate designs across your subject's reclining body. Stay away for their face and don't wrap the cotton under any part of the body. Remember: The flame will burn upwards, burning the flesh above if you wrap it. Be ready to snuff out burning body hair with your hand. Again, one of your hands should be poised between the cotton and the bottom's head in case of an emergency. Use the flash cotton sparingly. It doesn't take much to get the desired effect, and too much may burn your partner.


I'll repeat myself, PLEASE USE CAUTION WHEN PLAYING WITH FIRE. If you choose to do so, you are taking on the responsibilities for the potential risks that could occur. Have fun, but keep safety in mind at all times.
Sadismo 17-11-2006-14:27 удалить
если здесь окажется хотя бы 10% обладающих хоть какими то теоретическими знаниями по Теме в любой области, я "сниму шляпу"
но этого не произойдет
от себя по сабжу добавить не могу ничего - практики такой не было
игры с воском причисляю к другой технике - температурного воздействия
agnafetish 17-11-2006-14:27 удалить
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lights/1833/ - МОЖЕТЕ еще тут полазить, НО НА ДАННОМ САЙТЕ НАРУШЕНА ТЕХНИКА БЕЗОПАСТНОСТИ, поэтому просьба не повторять идеи!!!!!!!
киньте фоток!
шоб примерно увидеть что это из себя представляет!
у меня просто сайт почему то негрузится, который был дан выше!
agnafetish 17-11-2006-14:31 удалить
Sadismo, у меня 3 знакомых Топа положили девушку на спину и "изрыгали огонь" на ее тело. Было еще 4 человека для поддержки духовной и помощи, если что. Я что-то не увидела удовольствия в ее глазах, хотя попробовать это она стремилась. А потом загорелись волосы, но успели погасить сразу. Нах с огнем играть, простите за мой неправильный французский!!!
agnafetish 17-11-2006-14:34 удалить
Вот еще статья на тему:

Fire Play
Introduction
Fire play is, along with really knowing how to use a full size whip, one of the most visually impressive scene acts. With whips, to get even passably proficient, you need to spend a lot of time practicing. Fire play, on the other hand, is relatively simple to start exploring - provided you follow some relatively simple rules. So, at the end of the day, how many Dominants would turn down the idea of a cool addition to their arsenal that is actually pretty easy to learn?

Getting Started
Before I even begin talking about the how-to's, I am going to cover the how-not-to's. I know how tempting it is to read the fun stuff and skip straight to playing but this part is really important - skip it and you could seriously hurt someone.

Safety Gear
There are only three back up measures you need to take and they are really simple to prepare, so there is not excuse for skipping them.
First, get a bowl of water with some ice in it. I am going to cover enough precautions that you should not risk anything worse than very minor surface burns. To treat them you want to keep them in cold water for a good fifteen minutes - yes, I know it stops burning within five but the extra time ensures it is not still burning beneath the surface. The reason for the ice in the water is to keep it as cold as possible yet applying ice itself can actually make things worse.

Keep a towel handy. When soaked quickly in the bowl of water, a wet towel is a great way to smother any flames. If you do everything carefully, there should not be any - but as a Dominant, part of doing things with style is being prepared for everything.

Finally, have a fire extinguisher available. This should speak for itself.


Avoid Overhanging Body Parts
The trick of fire play is that it is actually the vapor of alcohol that burns, not the alcohol itself. This keeps the flame away from the body enough that a flash will not burn.
As heat rises, if you cause a flame to burn beneath an overhanging body part, it will take all of the heat and you will burn it incredibly quickly. Therefore stay away from places like just below the breasts.


Avoid Areas That Pool
You will be using a very small amount of alcohol to cause brief flashes that burn out before they burn the submissive. As a result, you want to avoid areas like the navel that the alcohol can pool in and continue to burn.

Do Not Play With Anything That You Cannot Risk Burning
Your submissive's genitals may seem like a fun area to play with but remember that you could still burn them. Do you really want to have to treat even minor burns there? The same goes for faces and anywhere that bra straps and waist bands rub against.

Avoid Hair
Hair burns, it singes and it smells horrible while it does so. If your submissive has body hair on a part of their body you wish to play with, either have them shave or avoid it. You do not want to risk it catching and you really do not want the smell - it kills the mood instantly.

The Theory
You should, by now, be getting an idea of what you will be doing from having read the Getting Started section - what, you skipped it, well go back and read it, it's important! The style of fire play I am going to tell you about involves using alcohol to create a fast burning flash of flame. As alcohol's vapor burns, not the alcohol itself, a quick flash burns itself out without the flame ever making it to the skin.
The best kind of alcohol to use that I have found - and on the recommendation of others - is 70% Isopropyl Alcohol. This is the same stuff you can get in quarts (about 1000ml) bottles in supermarkets. Pour a large shot's worth in to a glass and put the rest of it safely out of the way.

To apply the alcohol, you want to use Q-tips. The cotton wool on the ends absorbs about the right amount for a small flash. If you really need more, you can always re-dip it. Keep a second Q-tip soaking in the alcohol to apply the flame later.

As the alcohol will evaporate quickly, make sure you have a candle lit before starting so that you have a ready source of flame when you need it.

To start with, take the first Q-tip and press it against an area of flat skin. The pressing will squeeze out about the perfect amount of alcohol.

Now, return the Q-tip to the alcohol and take the second Q-tip. Hold it in the candle's flame - it should catch very quickly. Now move it to the spot of alcohol. Very quickly, tap it against the spot and pull it away. The spot should then catch with a quick flash before burning itself out.

As soon as you are done, extinguish the taper Q-tip and put it aside. DO NOT put it back in the alcohol - it may not be burning but it may still be hot and you really do not want to set the whole glass on fire.

If the spot burns for even a second, swipe your hand over it. It will not burn you but it will extinguish the flame instantly. If the spot does not burn at all, that is probably because you took too long and the alcohol evaporated - try repeating a little faster, with a little more alcohol if you need to.


Adding Flourishes
As with anything, start small on relatively resilient parts of the body. As you gain a feel for how it works, slowly start to vary things?
Try using multiple points. So long as you do not let the alcohol evaporate, you can then light them in quick succession, triggering a series of flinches, keeping your submissive tense and nervous for longer.

Streaks also work well. They require some care to ensure the flame runs quickly in only the direction you intended and does not double back but, once you have got the hang of it, being able to create running paths of flame looks incredible.

If you are quick - and very careful - you can apply alcohol to your finger tip too. Lighting it first, then tapping it against the spot is another impressive addition. Be careful though as you will need to keep your finger tip burning a little longer than you would normally do and you run the risk of burning yourself.


Conclusion
Taking just three simple safety precautions and remembering only a couple of fairly obvious rules, fire play is a skill you can learn quickly and use to look incredible.

SoulThief
agnafetish 17-11-2006-14:39 удалить
Gotfried, ты нам нужен... если не против перевести статьи... плиз)))
NECROFAGUS 17-11-2006-14:44 удалить
Исходное сообщение smile-and-cry
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lights/1833/ - МОЖЕТЕ еще тут полазить, НО НА ДАННОМ САЙТЕ НАРУШЕНА ТЕХНИКА БЕЗОПАСТНОСТИ, поэтому просьба не повторять идеи!!!!!!!



нинашёл ничо.....


видал кадата сайт посвящённый ента с азиатками, типпа кросивый а так не сильно тема фпичатляеть
Lord_Wrathgotkh 17-11-2006-15:13 удалить
Да на DSM-HOWTO лежит подробное описание чего да как... это чтобы не переводить лишний раз... Тем не менее, спасибо...

Кстати, smile-and-cry, а почему нах? Ведь многим нравятся спицы, клеймление и скарринг... Почему не найтись и тем, кто в восторге от огня вцелом и от ощущения его на себе в частности?
XXX_XXX_XXX 17-11-2006-18:15 удалить
не вижу для себя реализации данной темы
Sadismo 17-11-2006-18:18 удалить
Slave_in_love, коротко и по существу! как выстрел! :)
agnafetish 17-11-2006-18:39 удалить
Sadismo, ты девушку захвалил, она ж спать не будет)))
Sadismo 17-11-2006-18:47 удалить
smile-and-cry, думаешь так сильно переволнуется? вот придет SiLowner и настанет мне крышка )))))
bdsm-world 17-11-2006-18:50 удалить
Sadismo, о нет, как же я жить без тебя буду, Sadismo, я ж тебя люблю))))))))
Смотри аккуратнее :)
Sadismo 17-11-2006-18:53 удалить
bdsm-world, так не провоцируй людей своими комментариями, авось не заметят ))))))))))))
bdsm-world 17-11-2006-18:57 удалить
Исходное сообщение Хранитель_Разврата
киньте фоток!
шоб примерно увидеть что это из себя представляет!
у меня просто сайт почему то негрузится, который был дан выше!



Чуть попозже кину :)
bdsm-world 17-11-2006-19:30 удалить
Sadismo, *убегаю тихонечко*
Удачи))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
XXX_XXX_XXX 18-11-2006-13:26 удалить
Sadismo, захвалили))))) прям где то чего то зачесалось))))))))))))))) гыыыгггг
Gotfried 18-11-2006-14:42 удалить
Исходное сообщение smile-and-cry
Gotfried, ты нам нужен... если не против перевести статьи... плиз)))

:)
Не уверен, что есть время, и что есть смысл, если честно. Слишком опасная практика, чтобы иметь ее на русском языке в общем доступе. А кому надо - тот и найдет и переведет. Имхо, конечно.

По существу - есть узкоспециализированный опыт fireplay - прижигание сигаретами. Но опять-таки, это тем более опасно давать в общий доступ.
agnafetish 18-11-2006-15:35 удалить
Gotfried, есть небольшое "за" и "но".
Людей это манит. Нужно написать подробно список травм, опастностей, последствий. Чтобы не практиковали бездумно, да и вообще желания практиковать такое не было.
agnafetish 18-11-2006-15:36 удалить
Gotfried, ...потому как если ребенку что-то не договаривают, скрывают, запрещают, его туда и манит... обязательно нужно иметь материал такого рода, ИМХО.
agnafetish 18-11-2006-15:37 удалить
smile-and-cry, ...а человек до конца жизни в душе остается ребенком.
Gotfried 18-11-2006-15:47 удалить
smile-and-cry, все так. только за травмы и собственную дурь потом понесут претензии переводчикам. Спасибо, мне их уже 6 лет несут :)
Sadismo 20-11-2006-10:53 удалить
Slave_in_love, как в итоге спалось? )))


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