i guess in that case no one would really care who it comes from
end of the day we are all people that want to be happy and healthy
unfortunately some of us are not that healthy in mind, but healthy in body.........

Elena_Prikhodko, wouldn't you rather have someone decent receive the organ? Would you mind if a killer got a chance on life by receiving the organ? I am not trying to "play God" by saying who gets to live and who doesn't , and I do realize that there is a reason behind everything...but things like that aggravate me. I am for fairness, even though it doesn't always exist.

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Elena_Prikhodko, wouldn't you rather have someone decent receive the organ? Would you mind if a killer got a chance on life by receiving the organ? I am not trying to "play God" by saying who gets to live and who doesn't , and I do realize that there is a reason behind everything...but things like that aggravate me. I am for fairness, even though it doesn't always exist.

first of all you wouldnt really have a chance, you know that to choose i mean............
its all a God's will
you never know what is the purpose of that in their life if they are given another chance
and he might become a very different person later on..............i dont know

Elena_Prikhodko, I understand what you mean...and if another chance is given to someone who will become a more virtuos person, I don't have a problem with that. And yes, I don't get to pick who gets my organs either, that's obvious. But in this particular case I'm talking about the organ transplantation had occurred more than 8 years ago and the person still continues to carry on his amoral/criminal behavior without any remorse. That's what got me going.

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Elena_Prikhodko, I understand what you mean...and if another chance is given to someone who will become a more virtuos person, I don't have a problem with that. And yes, I don't get to pick who gets my organs either, that's obvious. But in this particular case I'm talking about the organ transplantation had occurred more than 8 years ago and the person still continues to carry on his amoral/criminal behavior without any remorse. That's what got me going.

yeah ..............thats twisted.......i guess if your organ is donated its purely God's will where to go and who will be the chosen one
i would prefer to think this way

чет все не по русски........

I was signed-up for some time in Canada, because I do agree that after death you don't need your organs anymore and if you could save someone's life - why not? So I was signed-up for it, until one day I made a mistake of mentioning it to my mom in some conversation. She was so shocked and despirate crying that if I die somewhere she at least wants my full body to be returned to her and not butchered etc... that I had to promise her to remove myself from that list. Of course, I could have lied to her. But I did fulfil my promise and removed myself from the list... Not that having me in whole would make her feel better at that point... No... But having me "butchered" would definitely make her feel worse... So right now I am off the list. Maybe one day I will get on it again.

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I was signed-up for some time in Canada, because I do agree that after death you don't need your organs anymore and if you could save someone's life - why not? So I was signed-up for it, until one day I made a mistake of mentioning it to my mom in some conversation. She was so shocked and despirate crying that if I die somewhere she at least wants my full body to be returned to her and not butchered etc... that I had to promise her to remove myself from that list. Of course, I could have lied to her. But I did fulfil my promise and removed myself from the list... Not that having me in whole would make her feel better at that point... No... But having me "butchered" would definitely make her feel worse... So right now I am off the list. Maybe one day I will get on it again.

i bet if i ever mentioned something like this to my mom she would act the same as yours..............

Elena_Prikhodko, yes, I know. I don't remember why the hell I told her... Maybe she pissed me off about something... But it was a mistake to tell her.

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Elena_Prikhodko, yes, I know. I don't remember why the hell I told her... Maybe she pissed me off about something... But it was a mistake to tell her.

i was thinking now ..........i mean i do understand your mom's view on that ........but i was thinking how i would react if i ever have a child...............but again body is just a body........if one life is lost and it can safe someone else's life...........
now i think this way ; have no idea what i would feel and think when i have a child (if ever)

Эдди_Коннор, ну вот такие персональные предпочтения...а что? :)

self-made, I could understand your mother. I mean, you literally are her flesh and blood, and her thinking of "butchering" tears her up emotionally and physically. I don't remember if I mentioned this idea of mine to my mom, but I've let her know the other day that I was working on my Health Proxy, and that in case of my death I would prefer to not be rescucitated or hooked up to any life support machines; when she tried to object at first I gave her a few examples of my patients or even coworkers whom I personally observed living in a vegetable state; after that she sort of agreed with my wishes. I mean..decisions like that are not as hard on ourselves as they are on our close relatives and friends.

Elena_Prikhodko, mothers are mothers...and you will always be their child no matter how old you are, and noone can love us unconditionally as our mothers do. And I agree with you right now this way of thinking seems rational to us at this point of our lives, but when you become a mother, the whole rationality thing may get replaced by instincts and intuition...and a whole lot of emotions. I guess that's the natural course of life.

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Elena_Prikhodko, mothers are mothers...and you will always be their child no matter how old you are, and noone can love us unconditionally as our mothers do. And I agree with you right now this way of thinking seems rational to us at this point of our lives, but when you become a mother, the whole rationality thing may get replaced by instincts and intuition...and a whole lot of emotions. I guess that's the natural course of life.

yeah.............. :)
i guess we will know what we feel then .......

I don't know how this process look legally - I mean the document and it's paragraphs ant etc. What I wanted to say - may be in this "will" (contract for donation) one just should mention that he wants to give his body not to everybody, but only to those who has passed mental examination and is not a criminal/perverted/ and etc... But to tell the truth - i don't care whom mybody'll be given to, because I care only for soul... body is destroyed anyway, good or evil...

Я_и_еще_раз_Я, I don't believe there's a legal contract concerning pervertness of the transplant recipient. :)
I understand the soul theory, but I do care for my organs to not be transplanted to someone who causes harm to innocent people.

Wow, that's the first time I've heard of a situation like that...Of course...you'd be doing a very good thing...but after all, the choice lies after you, whether or not someone should live...

A friend of mine who works at a hospital has told me that if a person is in a very bad condition and has signed up for the organ donorship, doctors won't try hard to save this person. I don't know if it's true or not... Sounds crazy. I'm not aware of situations like that.

Loclier, maybe she meant so-called "vegetable state" when a person is in a deep coma and his/her brain is already half dead, but the organs are still fine. In such case I don't think it is a good idea to keep a person on life support anyway... But that is already more of a eutonasia issue than organ transplant itself...

Loclier, hmmm...not sure about that. Who knows though...everything is possible in this world, it won't surprise me. I mean it is illegal for the medical personnel to not do everything possible and even impossible if the person is a full code, which means he expressed a desire to be kept alive no matter what(even if it means the vegetable state) at an earlier point in life and has that wish legally documented.