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Интер Патрика!!! Kent: To start off, could you say your name and what you do in Fall Out Boy.
Patrick: My name is Patrick, and I sing and play guitar and other stuff in Fall Out Boy.

Kent: Since it’s just you, could you tell me who the other guys are and describe them with one word?
Patrick: Alright, uh Andy plays drums, and he’s meticulous in everything that he does…
Kent: Damn, I’m not going to be able to spell that.
Patrick: Me-tic-u-lous (laughter). Joe plays guitar, and he’s just a hang out guy, kinda. That’s the best way I can think of describing it. Pete plays bass and screams a bunch, and he’s the man about town (laughter).

Kent: So how long has Fall Out Boy been together?
Patrick: Well I was figuring it out the other day, probably about 4 years now, since my junior year of high school.

Kent: What were you guys doing before Fall Out Boy went full time?
Patrick: I was doing high school, and I was working at a record store and at a cafй at Borders. Everybody else was doing a little bit of college and other bands. Well there’s a little overlap too where everyone did a semester of college before we went on tour. Except for me, I just saved up for tour.

Kent: How did you guys originally get hooked up with Fueled By Ramen?
Patrick: Well, Fueled By Ramen was one of those things that it was all internet stuff basically. Getting signed is funny because when someone’s looking at you, everyone starts looking at you, and they want to edge out the other guy. So there was a lot of that going on so there was a lot of labels talking to us. Oddly enough a friend of ours told them about us, so they were unrelated to all the hype or whatever. They offered us the best deal from the best people basically. I mean we really didn’t want to go with someone we didn’t want to work with basically, because there’s a lot of interpersonal stuff that you gotta deal with when you’re signing. So it was really easy, they came up and we were like hey. That wasn’t really an answer.

Kent: Do you know how many copies “Take This To Your Grave” has sold?
Patrick: I think…
Kent: Last I heard was about 150 thousand, but that was a little while ago.
Patrick: Yeah I think it’s about 200 hundred thousand, which is beyond… well let me put it this way: it’s more than we thought it would. We seriously thought it would sell a tenth of that and we were excited about it, that was like our goal. For it to have sold as much as it has isn’t a big concern for us, were not in this for glory or anything like that. Its just pretty cool, a nice little side thing to say “oh yeah, you did that, that’s awesome”.

Kent: So what has been the best moment for you in Fall Out Boy so far?
Patrick: Best moment, wow. We played Skate and Surf Fest last year…
Sara (my girlfriend): I heard you guys did so good, my friend was there.
Patrick: I don’t, I don’t know if we…
Sara: Didn’t the fire alarm go off or something?
Patrick: Basically, its weird because we were playing the middle stage, and there's like 2 stages on either side, and then there’s this open room that’s supposed to be the hall way between stages. We were playing on the stage that’s in that room, and something happened where it wasn’t a fire alarm, someone in the backstage on the main stage had pulled a fire extinguisher so there’s all this smoke billowing out on the stage so everyone thinks there’s a fire. So everyone floods into our room, and then they lock the doors. The room that we’re playing is at capacity, just packed, its just full of people. So we’re like “ah crap we gotta play now”. So we played, and it was awesome because well that wasn’t really what I thought was cool, it was kinda incidental and I was glad no one was hurt, and it wasn’t an actual fire and that it wasn’t as hectic as it could have been. But it was awesome because the place… so this is no secret but every band doesn’t like the song that everyone likes. They grow to hate it, its just one of those things. We were playing “Grand Theft Autumn” and there were honestly 5,000 people there or something, and it wasn’t all of them obviously, but there was a pretty strong percentage singing a long. It was one of those moments that I was like “that’s pretty cool I guess”, its better then working at Borders.
Kent: Yeah definitely.

Kent: To contrast that, what would you say the worst moment of Fall Out Boy has been?
Patrick: You know, its hard to say. It depends on what you mean, because there are so many different elements. One of my least favorite moments, the one that’s just popping up in most recent history is a girl in Dallas, the club didn’t have barricades. As a result kids got really hurt, kids got destroyed. And this girl broke her nose on my monitor, she crowd surfed into my monitor, and that was just awful. I never ever want to see anyone get hurt, and I especially don’t want to see anyone get that hurt. I was kinda mad at every one that I could have been mad at for it, because there's no reason why you should go to a show and get your nose broken. But when that stuff happens I get pretty mad.

Kent: I’ve heard a lot of rumors, are you guys all straightedge or just a couple of you?
Patrick: Yeah. Well actually our guitarist isn’t.
Kent: Joe isn’t?
Patrick: Yeah, but yeah none of us drink or smoke or anything. Makes for smoother touring. But I mean that’s not why we do it.

Kent: I wanted to ask you about “From Under the Cork Tree”, how was the writing and recording experience for that record?
Patrick: It was pretty much completely different then the last album. First of all, it was recorded as an album. “Take This To Your Grave” was recorded in 3 sections as demos, and then by the third section we just knew it was going to be an album. Like any band does demos, they were just demos that happened to turn out really good and Fueled By Ramen was just like we’ll release those as they are. This one was actually recorded as an album, we went in with 3 months and said were gonna record from start to finish. So that was different, it was our first album in that respect. It was really weird because Pete and I write the songs, but we’ve never really figured out how to do it. On the last record it was really complicated because I would be writing a song that had words to it, and then he’d write words and I’d try to paste them over mine, and it didn’t really work. We would have experiments were he would tell me the kind of stuff he wanted to write, and I would try to write that. And there were other ones where we just gave up and I just wrote it. It didn’t… it just… We like “Take This To Your Grave” a lot, we’re proud of it, but it was really hard to make. Those were the only 12 songs we could get out of it, that was all we had. In that way, I think, some stuff made it through the cracks that wouldn’t have made it on a more productive album. There are some songs that I don’t think are as strong as some of the strong songs on there. Its kinda a bum out. This time around, we had way too many songs because we figured out that if I write to his lyrics, you know in that moment of inspiration when you have the melody going, and your going to put words to it before you put any rhythm to it, just grab Pete’s lyrics and go through it and find something, and try to build the song around that. So doing it that way was easy for me, it was awesome because I didn’t have to drum up some sort of inspiration on anything. I would read his stuff and I knew what… it was me trying to match whatever he was saying in that with something musically as strong, or in some cases as weak purposely or whatever. So we ended up with like 25 songs or something. So in that way we got to do a lot more, like we have a whole album’s worth of stuff that didn’t make it, and we have a couple of songs that we recorded that didn’t make it to the record, and we widdled it down to 13, which is more songs then the last record, and its not even all the stuff that we did for this record. I think that’s just a testament to how easy it was for us to record this record, it wasn’t arduous and painful, it was just letting it out, we just sat down and recorded it. Neal Avron, the guy that recorded it, he’s a really laid back producer as far as, he’s not laid back when it comes to performance, he demands that you play. He’s not just gonna pro tool it later and make you sound better then you actually are, I mean he’s gonna make you sound better then you actually are, but he’s not going to make you something your not. That had a lot to do with how calm we were in doing it to you know. We just show up and we play, and what ever we were playing was probably how it was going to sound. Sorry that was a long one.

Kent: Alright, so then Pete wrote all of the lyrics for the new record?
Patrick: Yeah. The last record like I said wasn’t that way. This time around it was an experiment that just worked and I think that’s how its gonna be from now on. Pete wrote all the lyrics, I mean I think it has a lot to do with inspiration and honesty, and I have nothing to write about that’s worth writing about. I’m totally happy, I've got no problems with anybody, my past year was great. Pete’s last year was not so great. So he had a lot of stuff to write about, and he’s a better writer, so why not? But I know a lot of people get weird about that because I'm the singer and I’m not writing the lyrics, but I’m writing the music so I’m definitely involved. It was one of those things where he had a lot of things to talk about, so that put a lot of responsibility on me to try to make. So I hope the songs are alright because not only would I be letting down the person who buys the album, but I’d be letting down Pete. It meant a lot more in that way.

Kent: Did you guys end up writing a song about the van accident you had in PA?
Patrick: We did, but it didn’t make it to the record.
Kent: That wasn’t “Hand of God” right?
Patrick: No, no that wasn’t “Hand of God”?

Kent: How come “Hand of God” didn’t make it?
Patrick: It just wasn’t very strong. We came in with a list of songs of the 25 some odd songs, we came in with like 20 that we were considering, and that wasn’t even one of the 20. We just knew that song wouldn’t be on it. That’s one of those songs that if you see it on the internet it’s because it’s not a very protected song. It’s a nice little snapshot and we like that song for what it is, but to be honest with you, I can’t even listen to it. I was sick as a dog when we recorded it, so I sound like crap. So I hear that and I’m like that’s probably the worst vocal performance I have ever delivered ever.
Kent: Yeah, I don’t know, the beginning wasn’t too hot…
Patrick: That’s what I’m saying! It’s terrible! I mean it’s really bad!
Kent: But I definitely think its gets better toward the end.
Patrick: And also, that demo we produced a bunch of demos by ourselves, and we’re not such hot producers, I’ll be honest with you.
Kent: Oh like that “Dance Dance” one that’s going around?
Patrick: I haven’t actually heard that one.
Kent: Yeah, we’ve seen you a lot and its pretty different then the live one.
Patrick: Yeah, it’s different then the live version. “Dance Dance” is one of those songs that didn’t change much in the production of the record, but it did change a little bit. And that’s one of those things were bands get pissed about demos getting out because they don’t want people to get the wrong… because, you know everyone has a bias and you know you change things for a reason, and just because something is the first thing you heard you like it, doesn’t necessarily make it better. There's things like that where Neal also did New Found Glory and they did that song uh, oh what’s the name of it. It goes “Have I waited too long…”
Kent: Oh, “Hit or Miss”
Patrick: “Hit or Miss”, thank you. They recorded that song on their first record on their local band kinda record. Then they re-recorded it and everyone’s flipping out like “MAN! You know this new version’s CRAP! It’s no where as good as the original!” And your like dude, its 3 times as good as the original was, its awesome. Its just silly you know, “Dance Dance” being around you know, its one of those things I hope people are open to the new one, to anyone who’s heard the old one. I would say that for any song, we really put a lot of work in these songs and if someone didn’t like it, I mean if someone didn’t like the record at all I would understand, but it would be a bum out because I tired to make it decent.

Kent: Okay, so we saw you last summer and you had songs called “I Liked You A Lot More Before You Became A Fucking Myspace Whore”, “We Don’t Take Hits, We Write Them”, and “Bitches and Talkers…”
Patrick: “Snitches and Talkers Get Stitches and Walkers”
Kent: Oh okay, well I saw the track list and they aren’t on there. Did you change the names…
Patrick: No, none of those made it. Ultimately it was one of those things where, well one of those things about making a record too is that sometimes its about quality of song, and then sometimes its about what’s going to move the record along. Because you’re not making a pack of singles, you’re making an album and that’s something different. Its gotta move a little bit. There's one song in particular that was left off the record that I thought was just awesome and probably better then some of the songs that made it on the record. In context, it got really boring, the record just kinda got into this…
Kent: Monotonous?
Patrick: Yeah, and so some of the songs got left off for that reason. We tried to make more of a textured record this time around so that it moves and it flows. I don’t know, “Take This To Your Grave” had that but it was totally on accident. This time around, if we wanted to make a record of 12 of the same style songs, we have at least that many. We had basically 2 completely different records stylistically between the 25 songs if you split it down the middle. So what we did was pull between those two, so its like half and half.

Kent: So for the song that’s called “Our Lawyers Made Us Change the Name Of This Song So We Wouldn’t Get Sued”, is that the song that used to be called “My Name is David Ruffin and These Are My Temptations”?
Patrick: I am not at liberty to say (laughter).
Kent: Oh okay, because I’m pretty sure that’s what it used to be called so yeah.
Patrick: That’s a good memory.

Kent: Besides William from The Academy, do you guys have any other guest vocals?
Patrick: Yeah, um we got our friend Brandon who is in Panic! At The Disco.
Kent: Oh yeah, I think he sounds a lot like you.
Patrick: Yeah, that’s what people say, but I don’t really hear it. He’s a little bit wider in the throat, he’s got a lot more beef to him. Not physically, he’s thin as a rail but he’s got more throat to him. He’s on a song, and actually Chad from New Found Glory is on a song. Him and Pete have a “scream off”, which was really awesome because we’re friends with New Found Glory, but first and foremost we’re fans of music and one of the big influences on our band was hardcore, and we’re all Shai Hulud fans. It’s cool that it’s Chad from New Found Glory, its even fucking cooler that its Chad from Shai Hulud. So he’s doing the straight Shai Hulud, so its awesome.

Kent: So how has the switch been from Fueled By Ramen to Island?
Patrick: It’s been pretty smooth, because Fueled By Ramen is very involved in what we do. That’s actually a reason we went with Island because they were cool with the idea of Fueled By Ramen still having a say in what goes on, and they’re not just pushed to the side. We like Fueled By Ramen, and we have a lot of roots in Fueled By Ramen and they’re just as important to us as the guy who produces our record. So the jump over was great because it wasn’t… I know a lot of bands have the situation where they hate their indie label so much and they just need to get the hell out of there, and they will take anything they can get. And it wasn’t like that with us, we would have stayed with Fueled By Ramen as long as we could have, but Island came along and they had a really good angle and a really good purpose and they understood it. So far we’ve been happier with our label situation then any band I know, with both our indie label and our major label. And its even crazier because our indie label and our major label are friends with each other. There’s never been any animosity from either end, so its easy, its awesome.

Kent: So I hear that Jay Z called Pete the other day? Is that true?
Patrick: It was a conference call and Jay Z was on the phone for a second, but oddly enough it was the same day that Tim Armstrong showed up to our show. Yeah, its been crazy kinda in that respect, people have been showing up to shows wearing our shirts, and a lot of people who shouldn’t know who we are know us. Its one of those things that you can’t let go to your head because how many records come out in a year, and how many do you remember? You probably can’t name any of the names, but I’m sure you can remember bands and songs where everyone was flipping out for seriously 2 minutes, and then you never hear of those guys again. So we’re very aware of that fact, so rather then being all… I mean it’s awesome that Jay Z called us, that rules you know. Its awesome that L.A. Reed hung out with us, and that Tim Armstrong came and watched our show, and that was really nice of him and that was cool. But uh, that’s really cool (laughter). But the fact that stuff happens to bands and then you never see them again. You won’t see Fall Out Boy getting too stoked on ourselves because of that stuff.

Kent: Do you guys ever get to read the message boards and see what people are writing about you?
Patrick: You know what, I can’t get into the message board anymore. My computer is busted on that, it wont sign me in. I know my username works but it doesn’t use it any more. I used to go every so often, like once a month or so, and just check out mainly… One of the funny things is I go to the website to check out what’s going on with us because I never know, and it’s just faster then just calling up our tour manager. You know, its weird, I know it happens with a lot of bands, but people talk about your band and its weird to think about at some given moment when your sleeping in your pants in a bunk, smelling terrible and being a moron, someone is sitting there idolizing you in some way or hating you tremendously, basically expelling energy on you. If you knew about it you would be like “what?! I’m some moron I just watched Harold and Kumar for the 4th time in the past week”. Basically I never read it for that type of stuff. I read to see when something like this, this girl made a marching band arrangement for “Grand Theft Autumn”, and its awesome and brilliant. I met her the other day and she’s really smart and she is going to go places as an arranger I think, because that was a really tight arrangement. And I don’t mean tight as in a cool way, it was very good. And so that type of stuff I’m totally on the message board nerding out like “oh yeah, I’ve got to get this”. Some guys compiled a music video, so I’ll go see stuff like that. But you know, if its gonna be a conversation about Pete’s hair, I’m not gonna check that out. And that’s the thing too, is that at any given day, people are talking about the silliest stuff. It’s flattering to know that people are interested in your band that much, but at the same time its kinda comical to think about some of the stuff people are wondering about us. Seriously, we’re just 4 guys who happen to be fairly short and are from Chicago, and we’re lame and we play video games and listen to music, and that’s pretty much it. Oh and eat at Taco Bell any chance we get.

Kent: So what do you think about the people that come to the shows just because they think you guys are hot, and they don’t care what kind of music you’re playing at all?
Patrick: You know, you’ll get a couple of kids every day but the thing I find so awesome is that the majority of the kids at our shows aren’t like that. We get a lot of girls that don’t seem to care what we look like which is awesome. Pete has this little speech he makes some times, and I can’t thank him enough for doing it, but he says this thing about how awesome it is for all of the girls that come to the show for the music instead of the guys. There's gonna be a couple of girls that come because they think Pete’s cute, there’s gonna be a couple of girls that come for the other guys at the show, and then there's gonna be a few guys that come to pick up chicks. But then those people don’t come back, they’re there for a minute or whatever, and they’re gone. But the kids that come back and the kids that really matter, and the kids that are as big a part of it as we are, are there to be there, and they’re there because its what they have to do in the same way that its what we have to do. Those people I cant thank enough in any way, I admire them as much as anyone who admires our band. And also, we’re not that hot. Anyone that’s seen me up-close knows I’m not.

Kent: So last year your album release show was at a Tower Records, and this year it is headlining the Riviera (capacity 2300), where do you think you guys are going to be next year?
Patrick: Well, you know we’ve been going up a lot. There’s that famous saying “The only place to go from here is down”. I don’t know, I don’t even really speculate on that because the more I speculate, the less I’m going to be focusing on what we’re doing right now and how cool it is, and then before I know it, it will all be over. And that’s the thing, bands don’t really last long for a number of reasons. People grow out of them, and I’m not going to assume for some magical reason that we’re going to be some band that circumvents that and lasts forever. I mean I want it to last forever, but I’m just saying, its impossible to think that your band is going to be U2 or something. So, if we are playing that type of stuff, that will be fun, it will have it’s own batch of challenges. But if not, I’m not going to be sulking in a corner somewhere, or writing songs about how no one loves us anymore. We’re so fucking lucky to be here right now. Like I said, we have been doing really well, and I suppose you call that upward. But with that respect, we’ve seen a lot of bands on their way down. A lot of bands that I respected a ton, a lot of bands that I looked up to when I was younger, and I was growing up and getting into punk rock, and they’re not as profitable anymore. And its such a shock to me to see those dudes care about that, and they’re really bummed and bitter about it. And I’m like dude, you made this record, it was a great record, you had this moment. People get bitter, and if we do anything right, I hope we don’t end up like that. I just hope we enjoy it now, and make our mark, and when we’re too fat and old we’ll pack it in and wont bother anyone anymore.

Kent: So “Sugar We’re Going Down” was number 1 on Q101 (Chicago radio station) the other day, how do you feel about that?
Patrick: It’s awesome.
Kent: Have you heard your songs on the radio before?
Patrick: No, see that’s the other thing too is that you kinda live in a bubble, so I haven’t had to be confronted with it too much. Yeah, its awesome, its cool to hear about, but its even cooler to not have to like… truth be told I’ve only heard that song when we play it live, which hasn’t been that much lately. We’ve been playing it, but it hasn’t been a ton, so I haven’t had to get sick of it yet. And its awesome that anyone wants to play our song, its awesome that anyone wants to listen to our song, its great, it’s the coolest thing. Its crazy you know, I used to have Q101 on speed dial as a kid, and I would call and request stuff. So its cool that some one cares enough about our song, that’s awesome. That just means that we didn’t mess up with that one too bad (laughter). You know what I mean, its one of those things that you cant let it go to your head, because its just one song. If you never write another good song, you should be proud of that one, raise your kids and be a soccer parent or whatever the hell your going to do after that (laughter).

Kent: You guys filmed a video for that right?
Patrick: No, we’re filming a video for that. Someone made like a mock up video for it, but we haven’t filmed a video for it yet. Video is being shot on this tour, probably in a week or something.
Kent: So it will have a lot of the live shows?
Patrick: umm…
Kent: Or will it have a storyline?
(Pause)
Kent: Or both?
Patrick: We’ll pick one of those.

Kent: So you guys have been headlining the Fueled By Ramen Family and Friends Tour for about a month now, how has that been going for you?
Patrick: This tour has been awesome. You never really think anything, you never really expect anything because usually the more you expect the more you’re disappointed. In that respect, its been awesome. I’m always kinda a pessimist so I always just kinda assume… I’m surprised when kids come back in the first place. We’ve had a couple sell outs on this tour, so its been a total shocker. We sold out that place? That’s awesome! It’s us and Midtown, who has been around for a long time and helped us out. Then there is The Academy Is… and Gym Class Heroes, who are two younger bands that we’re taking out. I kinda feel, again not too proud about this because you cant be too full of any of your own achievements. I am happy that we’re at least making an effort to give back to 2 younger bands the same thing that we got when we were a younger band. Which is older bands taking that chance because if it wasn’t for Less Than Jake and Yellowcard, well Yellowcard isn’t that much older then us but they took us out when no one else would. And Allister, Mest, all these guys took chances on us and no one else would. Not to say that no one else is going to take chances on The Academy Is… or Gym Class Heroes because they’re fabulous bands, but I’m just saying, they’re not these bands that we put on to sell tickets. These bands are bands we want to help and we think they’re awesome, and so in the same way Midtown’s awesome too but I don’t think they need our help (laughter).

Kent: I heard you guys brought “Honorable Mention” back into the set list a few nights ago?
Patrick: Eh, well we learned some of our old stuff, just because we got this new record coming out, and there’s this girth of material that people may or may not wanna hear. If you’re too arrogant or too full of yourself that your old stuff is okay too, then you’re not worth a damn. So we figured it would be nice to learn that one. Really the only reason we didn’t play it is because we didn’t know it. We haven’t had anytime to practice, we’ve been touring straight. So we learned a couple of old songs, that was one of them. I like that song, you gotta remember I wrote that when I was like 17, but its one of those things were you think “Oh you were only 17, that’s crap!” But I think if people like what you do, then you kind of have a responsibility to them. They don’t pay to see what ever you want to do, they pay to see what they want to do. So if we didn’t care about what people wanted to hear or wanted to see, then we’d be pricks. We wouldn’t be worth seeing, not to jump to the conclusion that we are worth seeing. If we don’t play a little bit of our older stuff, that we’re just kidding ourselves.

Kent: So what new songs have you guys been playing?
Patrick: Well, obviously we have been playing “Sugar We’re Going Down”. We’ve been kinda mixing it up show to show, seeing what flies, but we haven’t been playing too many new songs because we don’t really want to alienate people. They bought the record and they’re coming to the show to see the band that they bought the record of. If we’re playing all songs off of the new record, that’s not the band they know, so we figured we don’t really want to go to far into it.

Kent: How has the response been to those songs?
Patrick: It’s been surprisingly good. I was excited that people, well like I said I’m a pessimist, so I was like “aww man I really messed up, I hate this thing”, but people seem to like it alright. I think we got a lot of responsibility from the last record to make a half way decent record. Its nice to know that so far its been okay.

Kent: From all the times I’ve seen you, I’ve never seen you guys play “Reinventing the Wheel to Run Myself Over”, why is that?
Patrick: We used to play that song, all the time. It was one of the first songs we were playing off of “Take This To Your Grave”, and people hated it. We kinda got told not to play it by trial and error, kids just don’t respond to it.

Kent: So what would be your favorite part about being on tour?
Patrick: Well, it’s the coolest job, ever. No one on tour isn’t lucky to be on tour. I think the coolest part is just getting to play. I’m a music nerd, I wanna play music, that’s what I do. I’m not into sports, I’m not into movies, I’m into music, that’s why I joined a band, that’s why I started a band, that’s what I do. It’s the only thing I’m good at, and I’m not even that good at it. That’s the only thing I know how to do, so I figure I better do that and trick someone to letting me do it.

Kent: So what’s been your favorite band to tour with over the years?
Patrick: Oh, its hard to say. I think there have been so many different bands for so many different reasons. I’d say it would almost be easier to say the one band that we didn’t get along with, I’m not going to name any names, so I wont say. We’ve been really lucky and really fortunate in having good touring mates. Pretty much all these bands, we have something nice to say about them, and hopefully they have something nice to say about us, but we are kind of idiots. Like I said we toured Less Than Jake, Allister and Mest and American HiFi, so I should just thank them, it was nice of them to take us out.

Kent: So do you guys have any touring plans between your release shows and Warped Tour, or are you just taking some time off?
Patrick: Yeah, we haven’t had any time off since, ever basically. So we might do shows here and there, but there’s no real major touring plans since this tour is pretty long and grueling, and Warped Tour is pretty long and fun. We’re gonna see about just kinda taking a breather for a minute, then going back out and touring our little asses off.

Kent: Have any of you ever had a Myspace?
Patrick: I don’t know if Pete and Joe has one, they’re always on the internet and I don’t know what they do on there. I can tell you for sure that neither Andy nor myself has ever had one, so if you ever see one that is either Andy or myself, its absolutely not us. I’m like totally, technologically living in like 1990 somewhere. So if you ever see something that’s me and is way too computer, it’s probably not me. I don’t really know what’s going on with computers, I’m like someone’s dad, you know what I mean. They may or may not, I don’t know.

Kent: So do you guys ever play your cover songs live?
Patrick: Well, we learned “Roxanne” to play live, and I like that song a lot, and we used to play “Love Will Tear Us Apart” by Joy Division. Again, one of those songs we liked playing and no one really liked it, so we just tossed that one. It’s not so much that we want to play our own songs, its kinda we don’t really know if we’re up to the challenge of being able to play, because those are really good bands. I don’t know about playing some of their songs. I know too that the fans of those bands aren’t fans of us and I don’t blame them. Those are really, really good bands, and we’re just some morons from Chicago. So I think its one of those things where a lot of times bands do covers to get cred, or they want to look cool, or they want to grab a particular market. We’ve only done the 3 that we thought we should do. We’ve turned down some covers before because we don’t want to do a band we don’t like, and we’re pretty honest about it. So if you never see us do the Jawbreaker cover, its because Jawbreaker did it better and we don’t want to tarnish the reputation.

Kent: Okay, well do you have anything else to say?
Patrick: Um, I ramble. I’m sorry.

Special thanks to Christina for setting this interview up

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