A ved i vpravdu,Kstati,nado priznat,v Buffy ya Wesley neperenosila,a v Angele on chem dolshe tem vishe podnimaetsya v moih glazah.A posle "incedenta" s Layloy,ya ego pryamo OBAJAYU!

Согласна, Уэсли довольно сильно вырос как личность и как человек. Так же как и Спайкуша)))

Novichok74, Nu viros-neznayu,no telo nakachal-et na lico:D
Spayk...Lubov moey jizni...Ego ya obajayu vsegda,i do i posle "incedenta":D

Я к "инцинденту" отношусь спокойно, хотя смотреть это тяжко. Тем более я полностью согласна с Васкес, которая дала очень точное на мой взгляд объяснение случившемуся.
Но Уэсли очень сильно изменился в лучшую сторону не только чисто внешне, но и как личность. Интересно наблюдать за его развитием из Наблюдателя-недотепы, такого же недотепы-охотника за демонами в умного, зрелого и опасного борца с силами тьмы. Жаль, что Джосс его убил(((

Mojno mne eto obyasnenie???Please??? Ti o Wesley incidente ili Spike?
Da...Ya pomnu mne stanovilos ploho kogda ya Angela v pervih 2 sezonah,on mne TAK nravilsya,a potom ego mesto vzyal Wesley,osobenno v 4 sezone!On tam...sex simvol! Osobenno kogda on porval s Layloy(chto mejdu prochim odin iz samih blestatelnih momentov i Layli,s ee "tem bolee viglyadet kak tvoya devushka predpochitaet chernoe:D") i kogda on pervim delom poshel iskat ee kontrakt chtobi sjech i osvobodit ee. On bil geroem dnya dlya menya!!!

Насколько я поняла ты говорила об инцинденте со Спайком, т.е. о попытке изнасилования. Или я чего-то не так поняла? *чешу тыковку*
Но на всякий случай, вот отрывок из эссе Васкес об отношениях Спайка и Баффи:
"...Buffy dies and comes back again, torn from heaven by her friends. She loathes her existence, and Spike provides her with a channel to outpour her frustrations; he wants her to put everything on him. He is love's bitch, he wants to be Buffy's willing slave, her sexual pet, anything to make her life less miserable. He doesn't understand that by degrading him, Buffy degrades herself in the process. His love is unconditional, but he has no soul, no moral compass to guide him in his blind passion.

Spike ascends as high as a soulless demon could. Buffy falls as low as a soulful creature could. They connect on a path neither humans nor demons dare to tread. They cling to each other with desperate passion, two wanderers in a scorched emotional wasteland. Their attraction is primal and instinctive, they can't resist it, they are inexorably drawn to each other. They pour out their raw emotions in wild sex sessions but sex alone doesn't close the emotional gap between them.

Buffy tries to persuade herself that she doesn't feel anything for Spike. She can't love a soulless demon! She doesn't let him be her friend, doesn't allow him to be close to her emotionally. She repeats that he's just a sexual toy for her, a "thing" to enjoy. But does she believe it herself?

In a desperate attempt to connect to Buffy, Spike oversteps the boundaries. The only connection Buffy accepted so far was hot, sparkling sex. So Spike went along with her and eagerly played titillating mutually-abusive games where "no" often meant "yes". He loved to provide his Slayer with what she wanted and it ended in disaster: misinterpreting her signals, Spike tried to force himself on Buffy.

She is shocked. But he is shocked even more. He realizes, at last, that without a soul he can only temporarily tame his inner demon but can't overcome it completely. Without the soul he can't be the man Buffy deserves. She becomes his moral compass as he challenges his destiny again by winning a soul in a series of trials against almost impossible odds..."

Hmm...nu ya ne polnostyu soglastna,ili soglastna, no opisalabi drugimi slovami. V lubom sluchae v ezboarde est bespodobnie fanfiki kotorie po moemu opisivayut ih "sostayanie" luchshe...Hotya,ochen uvajayu tvorchestvo VasquezE. Tebe znat:)
S incedentom ya imela v vidu sexualnoe vmeshatelstvo, ved Wesley vrode nikogo ne nasiloval:D

Про инциндент так и не поняла))) Что это за инциндент и с кем он произошел?

А как тебе видятся отношения Баффи и Спайка в 6-м сезоне?

Incidentom bil roman Layli i Wesley,da i Smashed toje vhodit v moyu kolekciyu incidentov:D

Ya eto viju kak...Ya eto viju kak sposob dlya Spayka poluchit Buffy. Imeyu v vidu on po ney davno sohnet.V moment slabosti Spike dal ey vozmojnost ostavit ego v pokoy,no ne ochen to vnyatno. Neznayu chitalali ti,no v ezboarde est fic o tom kak Buffy nachala ego izbivat posle togo kak uznala chto chip na nee nerabotaet. I vse eto "naskolko nizko mojet opustitsya sushestvo s dushoy",nu tak delo v tom chto posle Smashed Buffy uje sebya nevidela takim sushestvom.Ona uje sebya schitala ravnoy Spayku,i prosto skrivala eto ot svoiih druzey. Ti nikogda nechitala perevod ot MarvelGirl Vernut ogon? Tam ochen horoshee opisanie est,imenno kakovi bili ih otnosheniya,esli ne v nachale to tochno v 6 sezone. Ona sebya nenavidet-da. No ya bi neskazala chto ona ot etogo tak muchaetsya. Buffy skoree poteryalas. U nee vsegda bil Giles i mama, ey nujen bil dom(u menya podozreniya chto ona bila rakom:D),a v 6 sezone ona vdrug ochnulos posle raya v nashem adu i bez vzroslih! Ona bila poteryanna. I Spayk NE igraet shenochka.On hochet oblegchit ey jizn,i v toje vremya poluchaet udovolstvie ot etogo. Ya dumayu chto on ponimaet chto on ee ponastayashemu lubit posle 06x03, i togda ya dumayu chto ona na nego nesmotrit kak na "shenka",a kak na druga derjashego yazik za zubami.A potom ih "relationship" obarachivaetsya v "hochesh,here boy,here boy,ne...poprigay eshe nemnogo, a..ya peredumala ti nepoluchish kolbasku..." Ponimaesh,posle Rayli ona s nim igraet,i hotya ya nepodderjivayu Spayka s ego popitkoy nasilki,no Buffy doljna vinit sebya. Ona draznila 130letnego demona. Doljna vrode bit umnee! I on nashel dushu ne dlya nee,i voobshe on ne za dushoy poehal! tak chto...poymi sama chto ya dumayu...Moya Spuffimotika nachalas s 7 sezona,kogda vse spokoyno i nejno i netu neodnogo chertovogo poceluya....Chto mne NE nravitsya,no zato ona ego revnuet,emu doveryaet i otkrito govorit chto v nem nujdaetsya i ego lubt! a 6 SEZON-CHISTIY SEZON "RADOSTI PLOTI":D